Re: Speeding dog - new update
AnimalBehaviorForensicSc...@hushmail.com
David Sherman wrote:
> Hi all.
>
> The saga with Dixie continues...
Naaah? DO TELL?
> After the MRI of her brain came back normal,
Naaaah?
> the neurologist suspected Epilepsy.
Naaaah?
> However he took some spinal fluid and the pathology
> came back showing a type of white blood cells that
> would indicate inflammation. But they're not saying
> encephalitis.
Naaaah?
> I guess this is good news.
Yeah, it probably cost you nearly $3,000.00.
> At least it's news.
AS The Amazing Puppy Wizard has been TELLIN YOU
for TWO YEARS NHOWE, david. REMEMBER?
> We didn't know anything since last Friday when
> we took her to the vet with what seemed like
> small seizures coming in vary rapid succession.
Your dog is havin those "small seizures" because
EVERY TIME you take her out for a walk you jerk
and choke her to prevent her eatin chicken bones
pizza crusts needles and rubber gloves sticks
dirt and shit, david. IOW, your dog got STRESS
INDUCED SEIZURES JUST LIKE matty's dog Rocky got.
AND YOU'LL NEVER CURE HER DIS-EASE UNLESS YOU STUDY
and FOLLOW the INSTRUCTIONS in your own FREE COPY of
The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY
INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual, david.
> Now he suspects an auto-immune disease.
Naaah? DO TELL?
> Has tapered off the Phenobarbital just a little,
BECAUSE IT DIDN'T WORK, david.
> and has started giving her big doses of steroids.
THAT WILL ULTIMATELY KILL HER, david.
> Today she seemed a little better,
INDEED?
> but still far from right.
You CAUSED your dog's DIS-EASE by ABUSING HER, david.
> Her eyes still dart around often,
Because she's AFRAID, david. Your dog is havin
PAINICK ATTACKS and your VET CAN'T CURE IT.
> her face and her lower jaw twitches from time to time,
Your dog will end up with facial or lyrangeal paralysis,
and maybe need a tieback surgery or be DESTROYED because
she won't be able to eat drink or swallow, david.
We're not talking about doggy SICKNESS, david, we're talkin
about HUMAN MENTAL ILLNESS, aka The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME.
> she has small head jerks,
Kinda like a PARANOID SCHIZOPHRENIC, david?
> and her back legs seem very weak and they tremble.
INDEED. That's all part of The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME,
david. It's a DEATHLY DIS-EASE and YOUR DOG GOT IT ONLY
because YOU DIDN'T LIKE The Amazing Puppy Wizard "PREACHING"
at you about CHOKING and PUNISHING your dog, david.
Well, you got your JUST DESSERTS and The Amazing Puppy
Wizard GOT ANOTHER CASE HISTORY to PROVE The Puppy Wizard
SYNDROME, david. THANK YOU, this is the ONLY WAY I can
make it into the medical books without going to ten years
of university education.
> He also just ordered up a bunch of blood tests
> to check for any tick borne illnesses.
He shoulda done that FIRST, david. But don't forget,
I AM NOT A VET so I don't know all about TREATIN
DIS-EASES, david, but it ONLY MAKES SENSE that those
issues should be done FIRST instead of LAST, as your
vet has chosen to do.
> So, a few have been really kind with your time.
INDEED, david. THEY GOT THE SAME PROBLEMS, david,
because they are KNOWN DOG ABUSING MENTALLY ILL
COWARDS and LIARS.
> If you wouldn't mind giving me your impressions
> or thoughts I surely appreciate it.
That so?
> Why steroids?
BECAUSE THE VETS ONLY SELL PHARMACUTICALS,
not CURE DIS-EASES, david. Your dog didn't
need to GET "SICK", david, had you BELIEVED
The Amazing Puppy WIzard.
IN FACT, you can CURE HER DIS-EASE IN A COUPLE
DAYS if you study and follow the INSTRUCTIONS
PRECISELY, david, but you WON'T, because to do
so will SHAME and EMBARRASS you, david, and you'd
PREFER TO MURDER YOUR DOG FIRST than admit The
Amazing Puppy Wizard was RIGHT, david.
NO PROBLEMO, david, I NEED YOUR CASE HISTORY
either way, david. HOWEver, it WOULD BE NICE
to have you study my manual and follow the
instructions precisely and CURE your dog's
DEATHLY DIS-EASE in a couple days and report
your SUCCESS RIGHT HERE, but YOU WON'T, because
that too, is PART OF The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME.
It's very similar to MuncHOWESEN BY PROXY, david.
ENJOY commiserating with your peers who's own
dogs are likeWIZE DYING of STRESS INDUCED AUTO-
IMMUNE DIS-EASE aka The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME.
> Why not antibiotics?
There is NO DRUG in creation that can heelp your dog,
david. There are ONLY THREE CURES for The Puppy Wizard's
SYNDROME, david, I TOLD YOU SO pryor and I AIN'T GONNA
REPEATE them now, as there is NHOWE a NEW CURE for your
dog's condition.
> If it isn't seizures, why don't they
> discontinue the pheno?
Because they're grasping at straws and the barbs
will heelp REDUCE STRESS, david. There's better
drugs than phenobarb and traditional anti psychotics.
> Thanks guys.
MISERY LOVES COMPANY, don't it, david.
> This has been a really tough week.
And it's GONNA GET WORSE because livin in NYC
you'll NEVER be able to walk your dog without
encountering chicken bones pizza crusts and
needles and being a dog abuser you'll NEVER
be able to TRAIN her not to pick up crap from
the ground, david.
Here's the NEW CURE for your dog's condition,
david. Put your dog on a harness and DO NOT
SCOLD her when you pass by chicken bones and
pizza crusts and MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, your dog
will be able to go outside to relieve herself
without you HURTING and INTIMIDATING her, david.
Yours, The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{); ~ ) >
AnimalBehaviorForensicSc...@hushmail.com
CORRECTION!
In the folowing post I said harness but
FORGOT to say "AND MUZZLE", that's the
secret to get your dog to walk without
being choked and punished, unless of
curse, you chose to TRAIN HER according
to my methods, which you steadfastly
REFUSE to do because THAT is the NATURE
of a dog abusing coward.
At any rate, your forthcoming SUCCESS
heeling your dog with a harness and
MUZZLE will likeWIZE PROVE The Puppy
Wizard's SYNDROME.
Thank you for your participation,
The DESCARTES of BehaviorISM,
AnimalBehaviorForensicSc...@hushmail.com
David Sherman wrote:
> Hi all.
>
> The saga with Dixie continues...
Your dog would be CURED by now if you'd been
using the EFFECTIVE METHODS I teach for FREE.
> After the MRI of her brain came back normal,
There AIN'T NUTHIN WRONG with your dog but FEAR, david.
Your dog is "SICK" because she's AFRAID because you jerk
and choke him.
> the neurologist suspected Epilepsy.
Yeah, just like jencoffman's and matty's dogs.
> However he took some spinal fluid and the pathology
> came back showing a type of white blood cells that
> would indicate inflammation. But they're not saying
> encephalitis.
There's NUTHIN physically wrong other than she's ABUSED.
> I guess this is good news.
Yeah, the NEWS is 2 years old, david. I been
TELLIN YOU this was gonna happen just like
matty's dog is SICK.
> At least it's news.
Perhaps you'd have followed my FREE method if
I'd of charged you three THOWESAND BUCKS like
you've just pissed away on your "vets".
> We didn't know anything since last Friday when
> we took her to the vet with what seemed like
> small seizures coming in vary rapid succession.
You knew from your first SEIZURE post that your
dog is sufferin from STRESS from you jerkin and
chokin her to keep her from eatin chicken bones
and pizza crust and used syringes and surgical
gloves on the streets of NYC, david.
If you'd FEEL better I'll offer you my FREE
manual for three THOWESAND bucks and you can
END this "saga" of abuse and misdiagnosis.
> Now he suspects an auto-immune disease.
JUST LIKE I BEEN TELLIN YOU, david. Your
dog is having SEIZURES from STRESS, The
Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME.
> Has tapered off the Phenobarbital just a little,
> and has started giving her big doses of steroids.
BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAHAA!!!
> Today she seemed a little better,
That so?
> but still far from right.
Naaah?
> Her eyes still dart around often,
You mean like she thinks the sky is fallin.
> her face and her lower jaw twitches from time to time,
Naaah?
> she has small head jerks,
Like liea's dog Cubbe:
"I'd call the SHOCK fence effective and safe.
Humane is one of those hot words that people
can debate all day so I won't touch that one.
There are people who would call a regular chain
link fence inhumane," liea altshuller.
"I know this is a hard subject to bring up without
starting the whole cruelty thread again so I'll
state my opinion once and won't defend it further:
any method can be cruel for some dogs.
Even the slightest punishment was wrong for Cubbe
at the beginning, but we've come a long way since then.
She*trusts us now as I mentioned in a recent post.
Point is, she's been rewarded for coming, but she's
never been punished, even in the mildest way, for not coming.
Is it time for that?
What might I look for to tell?"
"Julia Altshuler" <jaltshu...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> After talking with the vet yesterday and watching
> Cubbe all day today, I'm convinced that the shaking
> is behavioral, not physical. Naturally I'll continue
> keeping an eye on her, but when I add everything
> up, I don't see symptoms of anything neurological--
> and the vet agrees.
> --Lia
> and her back legs seem very weak and they tremble.
Yeah, that sez you're due for cruciate ligament failure.
> He also just ordered up a bunch of blood tests
> to check for any tick borne illnesses.
Perhaps you should take her to a Shaman and
have him clear her auras and blow some holy
smoke up your arses, eh david?
> So, a few have been really kind with your time.
You mean, the other mental cases who's dogs GOT
THE SAME PROBLEM for the SAME REASON, david.
> If you wouldn't mind giving me your impressions
Permit The Amazing Puppy Wizard to consult HIS
crystal ball, david...
> or thoughts I surely appreciate it.
You ain't gonna like what The Amazing Puppy
Wizard's crystal ball sez, david.
> Why steroids?
Because that tends to reduce the effects of STRESS.
> Why not antibiotics?
BECAUSE SHE AIN'T SICK, david.
> If it isn't seizures, why don't they
> discontinue the pheno?
Because she may DROP DEAD on you, david.
DOGS DIE FROM STRESS, david.
> Thanks guys.
BWEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHHAHAHAHA!!!
> This has been a really tough week.
Naaah, it's been NORMAL, david.
BWEEEEEEEEEAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!
> > > Jerome Bigge writes:
> > > I do know that hitting, hurting
> > > your dog will often make the
> > > dog either aggressive or a fear
> > > biter, neither of which we want to do.
And then we got, matty! Follow his discussion!
This is what's called, a liar and dog abuser:
> > And neither does anyone else,
> > Jerome. No matter
> > what Jerry Howe states.
"Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For
Dealing With This I've Suggested It To Quite
A Few Clients Now And It's Worked 'EVERY
TIME The Very First Time' - marilyn, Trainer,
33 Years Experience.
You DO remember KILLFILING MARILYN for her coment above
regarding her success with The Puppy Wizard's Surrogate Toy
Separation Anxiety / Bed Time Calming Technique (STSA/BTCT)?
Perhaps you likeWIZE recall a pediatrician, Dr. Z, who commented
that his bed time calming technique was quite similar?
> > You're scary Marilyn.
> > Marilyn must be quite a disturbed
> > individual. I feel very sorry for her
> > and her family.
"His Amazing Progress Almost Makes Me Cry.
Your Method Takes Positive Training To The
Next Level And Should Really Be Used By All
Trainers Who Call Themselves Trainers. Thank
You For Helping Me Save His Life," Kay Pierce,
Professional Trainer, 30 Years Experience.
> > BUT, giving you the benefit of the
> > doubt, please provide a quote (an
> > original quote, not from one of Jerry
> > Howe's heavily edited diatribes) that
> > shows a regular poster promoting or
> > using an abusive form of training.
BWWWWEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!
> > --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.
You think HURTING a HUNTING DOG to
MAKE IT HUNT is NECESSARY???
"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It
A Sharp Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know
Jack Wouldn't HaveDone It If He Thought Solo
Couldn't Take It. I Still Crate Him Because
Otherwise I Fear He Might Eat My Cat," melanie.
You think allowing a "FEAR AGGRESSIVE MAN
SHY" dog to be BEATEN by a strange male trainer
is INTELLIGENT BEHAVIOR for a DOG LOVER?
"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is A
Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens,
But You'll Get Over It."mike duforth, author:
"Courteous Canine."
You think HURTIN dogs and CRINGING
is COURTEOUS?
"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently
as possible. What does this mean?"
Means the author is a dog abuser of the worst magnitude.
"When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time, spray one
squirt
directly into the dog's mouth and walk away. The dog won't be too
thrilled
with this but just ignore him and continue your normal behavior."
You think HURTING your dog is NORMAL BEHAVIOR?
--Mike Dufort
author of the zero selling book
"Courteous Canines"
You think HOWER pal mikey is playin with a full deck?
Yeah. When I preload my dog's mouth with bitter apple,
suppose I don't get used to being stupid and cruel, mikey?
Then HOWE do I train my dog if I can't HURT it?
"I Dropped The Leash, Threw My Right Arm Over The Lab's Shoulder,
Grabbed
Her Opposite Foot With My Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side, Leaned On
Her,
Smartly Growled Into Her Throat And Said "GRRRR!" And Neatly Nipped Her
Ear," sionnach.
Oh, THANKS, sinofabitch...
And from terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is
something you twisted out of context,
because you are full of bizarro manure."
"Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a
helper wield the stick, or do it yourself.
Tougher, less tractable dogs may require
you to progress to striking them more
sharply," lying frosty dahl, ethical breeder,
expert trainer.
You think a EXXXPERT trainer got to BEAT
a HUNTIN dog to MAKE IT HUNT?
"Pudge Was So Soft That She Could And
Would Avoid A Simple Swat On The Rump
With A Riding Crop," lying frosty dahl,
discoverer of CANNIBALISM in Labradors.
Perhaps the mom dog didn't want her babies HURT all
their lives like HOWE HOWER dog lovers PREFER to
HURT THEIR DOGS?
"John ran out, grabbed Blackie by the collar, and
gave the dog two or three medium whacks on the
rump with a training stick while holding him partially
off the ground. John then told Blackie to sit, ran back
to the line and cast him back to the dummies."
The Puppy Wizard sez a mom dog eatin her babies
to SAVE THEM from a fate like that, is COMMENDABLE.
We're gonna teach folks THAT AIN'T NORMAL...
terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks"
things is something you twisted out of
context, because you are full of bizarro
manure."
Sez on our FAQ'S pages at K9 Web you should knee the dog in the chest,
step
on its toes, throw him down by his ears and climb all over it like a
raped
ape growling into his throat and bite IT on his ears, or leash pop it
on a
pronged spiked pinch choke collar or pop him in the snout with the heel
of
your palm.
"BethF" <d...@alaska.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Frank" <flmarc...@netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:d2f1624e.02061...@posting.google.com...
> > dfrntdr...@aol.comMURK-OFF (Leah) wrote in message
news:<20020610173326...@mb-fx.aol.com>...
> > > >"brianev" bria...@attbi.com wrote:
> > > > I ENJOYED reading your book, and
> > > > AGREED with what you had to say.
> > > > I find it sick to hear what people
> > > > do with their dogs.
:
> > > Keep in mind that everything he says that
> > > the regular posters of this ng do to their
> > > dogs are lies.
:
> > > All of it. Every last bit.
:
> > All of it?
:
> > Ear pinching?
:
> > Shock collars?
:
> > Spiked chokers?
:
> > The regulars lie more in their denials than
> > Howe does in his accusing of them.
:
> Uh, Frank? Who do you see denying anything?
> Its quite interesting that a newbie like yourself
> would see denials when everyone has Jerry
> killfiled and therefore don't even read his posts,
> let alone respond to them.
"Rocky" <2...@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message
news:Xns92FEEC097E4AAau...@130.133.1.4...
> Linda wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> > When you compare using sound and
> > praise to solve a problem with using
> > shock collars, hanging, and punishment
> > how can you criticize the use of sound?
> There's nothing more to be said, then.
> You've made up your mind.
> But you've impressed me by mentioning
> that you're a professor with 30 years of
> experience.
> So, can you cite some examples of
> people recommending "shock collars,
> hanging, and punishment"?
BWWWAWHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
You think matty's playin with a full
goddamned deck?
matty's NOT a liar and dog abuser.
Isn't that true, Marilyn?
Of course not, but THIS IS:
"Chin CHUCK absolutely doesn't mean slap,"
professora gingold.
"Marshall Dermer" <der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
news:a3h5qn$mra$1...@uwm.edu...
> >Di,
> I don't believe you mentioned a particular
> kind of training. If you are interested in
> training retrieval behavior than do
> consider our own Amy Dahl's:
> The 10-Minute Retriever : How to Make a
> Well-Mannered, Obedient and
> Enthusiastic Gun Dog in 10 Minutes a
> Day by John I. Dahl, Amy Dahl
You failed to mention your pals the dahls are
proven liars and dog abusers, professor "SCRUFF SHAKE:"
"I Would Never Advise Anyone To Slap A
Dog I Do Not Believe There Is A Single
Circumstance Ever, Where Slapping A
Dog Is Anything But Destructive,"
LUCKY thing CHIN CHUCK absolutely don't
mean slap the goddamned dog, we'd look like
a conspiracy of LIARS and DOG abusers if
CHIN CHUCK DID mean SLAP the dog.
"I don't see why anyone would want to choke or
beat a dog, or how any trainer could possibly get
a good working dog by making them unhapper,
fearful, cowering, etc." sez amy lying frosty dahl.
DOES THAT SOUND LIKE THE TRUTH?
> just $17.95 at Amazon.com.
> (Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
> few regulars here who are either ill-
> tempered, ill-mannered, or just plain ill.)
> --Marshall
Or HOWE about HOWER just plain CRUEL
STUPID and ABUSIVE DOG ABUSERS,
professor SCRUFF SHAKE?
amy lying frosty dahl continues:
"On the other extreme, the really hard dogs
we have trained require much more
frequent and heavy application of pressure
(PAIN j.h.) to get the job done,
This is continued resistance to your
increasing authority, and the job is
not done until it is overcome
Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a helper
wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher,
less tractable dogs may require you to
progress to striking them more sharply"
BUT NOBODY DOES THAT HERE...
"Try pinching the ear between the metal
casing and the collar, even the buckle on
the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will
give in but will squeal, thrash around, and
direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch"
OR ATTACKING HIS ABUSER.
"You can press the dog's ear with a
shotshell instead of your thumb even
get a studded collar and pinch the ear
against that Make the dog's need to stop
the pinching so urgent that resisting your
will fades in importance.
CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever
Ready Right Hand, As it catches on, try
using the stick and no ear pinch.
When the dog is digging out to beat the
stick and seems totally reliable without
any ear pinch, you are finished
This is continued resistance to your
increasing authority, and the job is
not done until it is overcome"
If the dog drops it, chuck it solidly
under the chin, say "No! Hold!"
(stay on the ear until it does) (perhaps
because the ear is getting tender, or the
dog has decided it isn't worth it)" lying
frosty dahl.
"Chin cuff absolutely does not mean slap,"
professora gingold.
From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
In article <38CC0C43.94E2D...@earthlink.net>
rhurw...@earthlink.net writes:
>> -snip headers etc.
>> Yes. you're right, I really should find
>> the book.. they don't have these books
>> in the local pet stores I frequent, where
>> do you find Koehler?
> I got a nice large print copy from
> Amazon.com
>Richard
Please try Powell's Books in Portland
Oregon. Their URL is:
Unlike Amazon.com, Powell's keeps both
new and used books on its shelves. You
can order books via e-email.
Koehler Method Of Dog
Training
by Koehler, W R
Published by HOWELL BOOK
HOUSE (0876056575,
========================================================
Here's some quotes and some methods right
outta your koehler book professor "SCRUFF SHAKE and scream "NO!" into
its
face for 5
seconds:"
"The Koehler Method of Dog Training (1962). New York:
Howell Book Book House(p. 52-53)."
Hanging
"First, the trainer makes certain that the collar
and leash are more than adequate for any jerk
or strain that the dog's most frantic actions could cause. Then he
starts
to work the dog deliberately and fairly to the point where the dog
makes his
grab.
Before the teeth have reached their target,
the dog, weight permitting, is jerked from
the ground.
As in coping with some of the afore-mentioned problems the dog is
suspended
in mid-air.
However, to let the biting dog recover
his footing while he still had the strength
to renew the attack would be cruelty.
The only justifiable course is to hold him
suspended until he has neither the strength
nor inclination to renew the fight.
When finally it is obvious that he is
physically incapable of expressing his
resentment and is lowered to the ground,
he will probably stagger loop-legged for a
few steps, vomit once or twice, and roll
over on his side.
The sight of a dog lying, thick-tongued,
on his side, is not pleasant, but do not
let it alarm you
THE REAL "HOOD"
"If your dog is a real "hood" who would
regard the foregoing types of protest as
"kid stuff" and would express his
resentment of your efforts by biting,
your problem is difficult -- and pressing.
"Professional trainers often get these
extreme problems. Nearly always the
"protest biter" is the handiwork of a
person who, by avoiding situations that
the dog might resent, has nurtured the
seeds of rebellion and then cultivated
the resultant growth with under correction.
When these people reap their inevitable
and oftentimes painful harvest, they are
ready to avail themselves of "the cruel
trainer" whose advice they may have
once rejected because it was incompatible
with the sugary droolings of mealy-
mouthed columnists, breed-ring biddies,
and dog psychologists who, by the
broken skins and broken hearts their
misinformation causes, can be proven guilty
of the greatest act of cruelty to animals
since the dawn of time.
"With more genuine compassion for the
biting dog than would ever be demonstrated
by those who are "too kind" to make a
correction and certainly with more disregard
for his safety, the professional trainer
morally feels obligated to perform a "major
operation."
"Since we are presently concerned with
the dog that bites in resentment of the
demands of training, we will set our
example in that situation. (In a later
chapter we will deal with the with the
much easier problem of the dog that
bites someone other than his master."
Are we havin FUN yet?
Got a lite, professor SCRUFF SHAKE?
Jo
Your dog's saga is actually a refelction of your own saga. I feel our
companions are a reflection of ourselves. Whatever type of energy you
give out you get back.
Have you ever stayed quiet long enough to actually hear what goes on
within yourself? If not, how can you want to cure your dog of her
ailments if you have not cured yourself of your own?
I am no scientist but do know that our own issues must first be dealt
with before we decide to become a stuart of another living entity.
Ask yourself: What was your initial intention when you thought about
getting a dog?
AnimalBehaviorForensicSc...@hushmail.com
Jo wrote:
> David,
> Your dog's saga is actually a refelction of your own saga.
You think david is havin seizure problems?
> I feel our companions are a reflection of ourselves.
You mean, like allelomimetic behavior?
> Whatever type of energy you give out you get back.
INDEED. HOWEver, that's a bit esoteric for most of us
to understand. Allelomimetic behavior is likeWIZE too
esoteric for most of HOWER dog lovers to understand.
IN FACT, that the term even EXISTS was QUESTIONED when
Jerry Howe first used it here on HIS 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual Forums. The GENIUSES accused HIM of "MAKIN
IT UP!" because they couldn't find it in "Websters"!:
"No entries found that match allelomimetic."
BWEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAHAHAAA!!!
> Have you ever stayed quiet long enough to actually
> hear what goes on within yourself?
C'mon, Jo! david lives in N.Y.C., the city that
NEVER SLEEPS. He's LUCKY he can hear himself fart.
> If not, how can you want to cure your dog of her
> ailments if you have not cured yourself of your
> own?
david's dog is sufferin SEIZURES because EVERY TIME
he goes out for a walk he gets jerked and choked to
prevent him from eatin garbage. The "CURE" is for
david to walk his dog on a harness with a basket
muzzle. That will avoid the PROBLEM of TRAININ his
dog apupriately and not havin to HURT and INTIMIDATE
her for pickin up dangerHOWES STUFF.
> I am no scientist
LikeWIZE. IN FACT, I've DISCREDITED the "SCIENTISTS"
like dr. dodman and dra. mcconnell and dr. plonsky
and dra. houpt and dra. marter and dr. dunbar and
the rest of HOWER EXXXPERT veterinary ethologists.
LikeWIZE the traditional vets like dra. carla and
dra. deb and dra. linda hungerford (human M.D. and
psychiatrist) and professor dermer who post to The
Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY
INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual Forums:
Here's professor dermer pryor:
From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST
And how do we know this aspect of his
advice is right?
Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.
His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis.
(Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
few regulars here who are either ill-tempered,
ill-mannered, or just plain ill.),
--Marshall
"At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.
First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.
How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.
**********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************
When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).
"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works," marshall
dermer, research professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM at
UofWI. For MOORE animal abuse, please visit dr p.
BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!
That's INSANE. Ain't it.
Here's professor dermer AFTER gettin JERRYIZED:
"We Are Lucky To Have You, And More People Should
Come To Their Senses And Support Your Valuable Work.
God Bless The Puppy Wizard," Professor Marshall Dermer,
Dept Of ANAL-ytic Behavior, UofWI.
From: "Marshall Dermer" <der...@csd.uwm.edu>
To: "The Puppy Wizard"
<ThePuppyWiz...@earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM
Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard
Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,
I have, of late, come to recognize your genius
and now must applaud your attempts to save
animals from painful training procedures.
You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent,
who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts to
alert the world to animal abuse.
We are lucky to have you, and more people should
come to their senses and support your valuable
work.
Have you thought of establishing a nonprofit
charity to fund your important work?
Have you thought about holding a press conference
so others can learn of your highly worthwhile
and significant work?
In closing, my only suggestion is that you
try to keep your messages short for most
readers may refuse to read a long message
even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard.
I wish you well in your endeavors.
--Marshall Dermer
> but do know that our own issues must first be dealt
> with before we decide to become a stuart of another
> living entity.
Well Jo, that AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN. IN FACT, HOWER DOG
LOVERS can't STAND readin their own FREE COPY of The
Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual:
From: der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall Dermer)
Date: 15 May 2002 22:20:51 GMT
Subject: Re: Jerry Howe
In article <SsyE8.20247$t8_.12...@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>
"Marisa" <mari...@hotmail.com> writes:
> So I downloaded your Wits End today, and I have started
> reading, and I am planning on using it from now on and
> see what results I get.
Marisa you have much hard reading ahead of you because
Jerry's manual is verbose and spends about as many lines
condeming other approaches as describing what to do.
> Just thought I'd share. I'll post an update later on as
> I have trained with it a bit. I hope it helps to make
> her even better than before. I don't want any accidents
> with biting in my house! And I hate negitive training,
> and bribes.
Different events function as rewards for different dogs.
Some dogs seek praise, some seek petting, and some seek
food. If you are lucky your dog will value all three,
but don't count on it.
I doubt any major publishing house would distribute Jerry's
manual because it is so verbose, so here you find Jerry giving
it away.
There is some wisdom in his manual but IMHO there is even
more wisdom in clicker training approaches which are positive
and though they use food, food need not always be presented.
My favorite video, so far, is Karen Pryor's _Clicker Magic_.
Perhaps you can view it through your public library. The
major pet supply retailers sell clickers for about $2.
Also, try a keyword search with "clicker training" at
www.google.com as well as "Jerry Howe" or the
name of his method.
Then ask yourself this question: Why is there so
much interest in "clicker training" and so little
interest in Jerry's method?
--Marshall
PS: Finally, note Jerry's incivil responses to this
post. BTW, I don't read Jerry's follow-ups.
Marshall Lev Dermer/Associate Professor/Behavior
Analysis Specialty/Department of Psychology/University
of Wisconsin--Milwaukee/
Milwaukee, WI 53201
Office Phone: 414-229-6067/ Home Phone: 414-332-8606
der...@uwm.edu http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer
"I basically (and finally) applied my favourite design principle that
perfect
is the enemy of good. Nothing is perfect, but many things are good."
Sitaram Iyer http://www.cs.rice.edu/~ssiyer/
From: "0513chgo" <0513c...@nixspam.net>
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 00:59:18 GMT
Subject: Re: Jerry Howe
Marshall Dermer wrote in message ...
>In article <SsyE8.20247$t8_.12...@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>
>
>"Marisa" <mari...@hotmail.com> writes:
>
>> So I downloaded your Wits End today, and I have
>> started reading, and I am planning on using it
>> from now on and see what results I get.
> Marisa you have much hard reading ahead of you because
> Jerry's manualis verbose and spends about as many lines
> condeming other approaches as describing what to do.
Please leave Marisa be and let her be happy
with training her dog the she wants to!
From: "Jerry Howe" <jho...@bellsouth.net>
Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 21:52:37 -0400
Subject: Re: Jerry Howe
Can't. He's fighting for his career and reputation... he's F'd. Jerry.
==================
> Ask yourself: What was your initial intention
> when you thought about getting a dog?
Better yet, ask david HOWE COME he don't want THIS:
From: "Marisa" <mari...@hotmail.com>
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 04:37:57
Subject: one day
I started some of the simple techniques in Jerrys manual today.
The family pack exercise....come command.....that's all
so far though. I did get the proper equipment as well.
20 foot leash, cans with pennies partially crushed, flat
collar, etc.
I have also stopped any negative reinforcment such as
loud "No" and "Bad girl Sonique!" (Sonique is my Jack
russell) and holding her back, which I normally MUST
do or she'll jump and nip sometimes, but always jumping
and barking.
Already tonight some has started working. When someone
came to the door, Sonique went nuts as usual. I said
"Thank you Sonique!" "It's o.k. girl, thank you!" And
we got a total of about 6 barks and then no jumping on
guests, no biting, growling or the worst, the continued
barking she normally does.
She accepted my praise, and trooted around, still excited
over guests, but she was WAY more under control. Even my
roomates noticed this. She repeated this same thing without
all her normal fuss later when another two friends came over.
So I do need more time, going to keep with it another day,
another month whatever until I know I am getting results,
although I must say, so far I am impressed with my dog.
She really responds to praise better than she ever has
responded to treats as distraction from the guests and
doorbell, or me yelling "bad girl! go away now! shoosh
up!" all the time.
I am also verbally praising her everytime she makes eye
contact with me. so hopefully things will continue going well!
--
Marisa
From: "Marisa Brophy" <mari...@hotmail.com>
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 07:28:27 GMT
Subject: Obsessive behav. *longish*...help please!
Hi- My name is marisa and I have two Jack Russells,
a male and a female. My female is long legged and
long hair and 1 and 1/2 years old. I have had her
since she was just a wee pup and she is the most
wonderful dog. No problems with her!
Recently I adopted another Jack Russell. A short
legged, short haired male named "Tug" his age is
unknown but he is pretty old, his has few teeth
left, all are molars. He is in good shape and
pretty well behaved. We do have one odd problem.
Tug has some sort of obsessive compulsive behaviour
I have not been able to correct let alone even improve,
and this behaviour was there from day one.
Tug will run in very tight fast circles outside my
bathroom door. I have four budgies in there, but he
has yet to have actual acsess to them. He is stimulated
to do this "circling" whenever in my room, and whenever
the birds chirp. He will be outside the door and circling
for an hour sometimes. Most of the time I try and break
it up by distraction because I am uncertain if he should
be scoulded for this or helped medically, emotionally, or
what....even when I close my bedroom door (bathroom with
birds is IN my room) he will choose to wait outside my
bedroom door over being downstairs with us in the living room.
He will stay there until someone goes in, then he will
sneak in and start his growling and circling. We have
been trying to keep him out of my room all day, and he
is only inside the room at night in his crate. During
that time (in the crate) he will stare at the bathroom
door for hours sometimes, or sleep. And rarely he will
even circle in the crate.
I am not sure what to do. I am not sure if scoulding him
is right, or letting him circle, or stopping it like I
have been by distraction, which sometimes doesnt even work.
When circling like this he only listens to me calling him
less than half the time.
He is obsessed!
Any help? thanks in advance.
--
Marisa
From: "Diana" <diana_pete.attw...@lineone.net>
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 09:25:50 -0000
Subject: Re: Obsessive behav. *longish*...help please!
Any form of obsessive behaviour is stress related so
scolding and punishments will only further the stress.
He's obviously worried about these birds - it's not
something he's encountered before, they make a strange
noise and he feel there must be some problem that if
no one else is going to do it, it's best that he sorts
it out - and not being able to is stressing him.
Jerry, no doubt, has sent you his manual. He may be
a bit off with peole but in his manual you will find
instructions for distraction and praise which, ultimately
for this problem, there is no topping.
Unfortunately he does no use winzip so it will take
a while to download - meant to talk to him about that!
---------------------
AND THEN diana WENT INSANE because she learned her own
dog Stone was DYIN from The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME. She's
a natural born dog abuser and victim of abuse and launched
her own KILLFILE The Amazing Puppy Wizard campagne!
alison wrote:
That's a shame . I saw the post . Did you try asking
this on alt animals dog. I think that was discussed there
recently and I think on this group.
Diana's (Luscious Lugs) old alsation has degenerative
myelopathy. One of the symptoms was weakness and not
being able to use her back legs properly. My Judy has
kidney problems and sometimes her back leg muscles shake.
If you do a Google search I'm sure you'll find some old
posts about weakness and shaking.
Alison
From: "Lushious Lugs" <p...@thedog.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 08:40:32 -0000
Local: Wed, Jan 30 2002 4:40 am
Subject: Re: Are "Prong" Collars That Bad?
"JewelOfTheGnarf" <jewelofthegn...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20020129194506...@mb-mg.aol.com...
> marge, very eloquently put! I believe completely in the
> choke chain and leather lead training, but prong collars
> in my opinion should never need to be used on ANY dog.
> They are cruel, and very dangerous.
Watching Uncle Matty train a Golden Retriever not to chase
cars using a 30' (?) rope and a choke chain nearly made me
throw up. I'm amazed his head stayed on.
Prior to that I could see that they worked and was always
of the belief that it was the sound as much as anything
that did the job.
Now we have haltis which are easy and kind, we have greater
understanding and (hopefully) respect for our dogs as emotional
beings ~ there are so many kind methods, why should anyone want
to choose one that can cause physical pain or even injury to
their pet?
We have a light hearted group site on the newsgroup
alt.animals.dog on which Helle Haugenes has offered
an article on choke collars. This has been translated
from Norwegian but does tell of some of the physical
damage that can occur to dogs trained with these collars:
--
alt.animals.dog website: www.ourdogs.chilly-hippo.co.uk
Diana ~ Lugs are ears!
Lushious Lugs Jul 24 2002, 7:22 am
Newsgroups: alt.animals.dog
From: "Lushious Lugs" <d...@dogstuffagain.fslife.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:12:11 +0100
Subject: Re: You strange people
"Martini" <tof...@wp.pl> wrote in message
news:ahm1m4$dni$1...@news2.tpi.pl...
>
> Ok, so I have to stick a bit and lurk. I thought that
> Wizard is ok because I watched his programmes a lot.
> Here he uses abusive words but I can still read some
> posts from people who are greatful. My dog is 8 moths
> old so I haven't been in the subject for too long. I've
> read some books but they weren't too good. I will certainly
> read a lot more and I will visit your group. Thank you.
> Martini
[..]
The Wizard? ~ I think you are getting Uncle Matty
and 'The Puppy Wizard' confused! LOL
I personally think Uncle Matty's dog training methods
are extremely dangerous to the physical well-being of
a dog and that choke chains have no better use than as
items to remind us of the barbaric means by which we
once 'trained' our dogs...
Also, because they really do hurt the dog and frighten
it, you are destroying the great relationship that you
should be working to vbuild with your dog...
I know there are a lot of people who disagree with me,
but then there are many who share my point of view...
but ultimately why use a method to teach your dog that
will hurt it when there are many other ways of getting
the same instruction to your dog without hurting it.
The Puppy Wizard on the other hand is otherwise known
as Jerry Howe and alleges that he is a dog trainer but
apart from on these newsgroups where he rants abusive
posts, no one has ever heard of him. For all his faults,
his approach as written in 'his manual' is very anti the
use of choke chains.
Hope that clarifies!
Diana
--
See my dog Stone ~ July 5th on the birthday calendar.
The aad group web site: http://www.ourdogs.chilly-hippo.co.uk
(In the UK 'lugs' or 'lug 'oles' is slang for ears ~ and no
dog has a finer set than my Stone!)
From: "Diana" <d...@dogstuffagain.fslife.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 11:27:02 +0100
Subject: Re: WOW.....
"Stu" <f...@fred.com> wrote in message
news:bd3utm$ubn$1...@news7.svr.pol.co.uk...
[..]
Hi Stuart,
Just be a little careful, you can also pick up a lot
of garbage on the WWW! ~ If you venture in to any of
the other dog groups, you'll find a character called
Jerry Howe aka the Puppy wizard who might at first
seem to be offering a lot of very good advice.
As you read on though, you learn that many of his
ideas in his 'free manual' have been copied / stolen
from other peoples works ands some of his ideas are
downright dangerous.
Poor chap is surely insane.
Diana
--
My precious Stone: Once my rock, now my diamond in the sky.
The aad group web site: http://www.ourdogs.chilly-hippo.co.uk
Learn more about your pets: http://www.infopet.co.uk
****************************
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It's what's MURDERIN david's dog and HE AIN'T
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